In this video we see a pastor speaking to a college student whose a psychic. Unlike most of the students who try to challenge the pastor he tries to understand him. The student asked if he believed in heaven or hell and if he has tried to connect with the dead and the pastor refuses to, the psychic suggests he does so that he can know if rituals are real or not before trying to eliminate ways to reach the dead, he takes an approach that is lighthearted yet leaves the pastor speechless respectfully.